So, I was having a conversation with a couple unnamed Christian Uni students and the authority of Scripture came up. I made some claims, they made claims. There main basis was that Christ is authority therefore since John 1:1 says he is the Word, scripture is too. I didn't buy that so I did my own search on that. As far as I can find, the Word John speaks of is not the Scripture but the spoken words of God. The spoken word of God has always been. Jesus is the spoken word of God incarnate. A little different than the old Scripture interpretation, eh? So going on with that I found that everytime that statement is used, it is in that same reference. So, God imparts to us his spoken word throughout history. Apparently we didn't catch it. He had to send it in the form of flesh. Makes me wonder how God is trying to speak to us now and we are too busy assuming the Bible was the only way He was ever going to communicate with us.
I also don't understand where people get off saying that the Bible is the foundation of our faith. I genuinely pissed some people off by stating that the church is the foundation of truth. And Christ is the foundation of the church. As McLaren points out, people never used to consider the foundations as a single object. As I thought of ancient architecture, they often used arches and pillars for support. To us that doesn't mean much until you consider that there has to be more than one pillar for a building to be supported. Apparently that slips by us now. It is completely overrun by our modern knowledge.
My thoughts... Take the salt dangit..
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So, you think 1 Timothy3:15 should be crossed out of our Bibles? And how does that Hebrews passage completely rule out God's speaking to us? The Holy Spirir leads us... how? He can't just push us around physically can he?
Jeff-
Just because someone interprets this verse differently than you do doesn't mean that they think it should be stricken from the Bible. As far as I've seen, there is an overwhelmingly large amount of Biblical evidence against your position, while you seem to only have a single verse. Obviously the Timothy passage must be interpreted as part of the larger whole, not merely on its own.
-Curtis
Funny conversations here.
A little dialogue going on on my blog is regarding the logos as the breath/voice of God. The word of God is not the Bible. The Bible contains some of the words of God, but it is not THE WORD OF GOD. This is a common misnomer in this understanding of John's LOGOS treatise.
The logos can even be further understood as the invisible way of God, the direction of God. This is why when the Chinese translated the Bible into their understanding and language in the 30s said, "In the beginning was Tao, and Tao was with God and Tao was God" because the Tao for them is an understanding of the way... breath... rhythm of God.
So, check it: We overspiritualize this. We think of spirit or voice as this abstract thing (that we hardly ever hear), but remember that pneuma also meant wind. I wonder if Jesus' explanation to Nicodemus about moved like/by the wind wasn't as metaphorical as we think, as spiritualized as we think. Perhaps it is truly 'the way', as in the way the wind blows, the way nature moves and grows and reproduces...
I just lost my train of thought... some other time...
"Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar." - Proverbs 30:5-6
So using that fancy-dancy "next blog" feature, I eventually came across your blog. I found the comments to be very interesting and thought I'd chime in with my little bit of wisdom. Turns out I came unprepared.
God cannot speak falsely (2 Samuel 7:28; Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18) and so all of Scripture is true and without any error or contradiction (Num. 23:19; Ps. 12:6; 119:89, 96; Prov. 30:5)
I'd like to refer you to the Kaleo website for some indepth reading on this and similar topics.
This isn't even my blog, but the conversation seems worthwhile... so in response to the latest response...
While i can appreciate that God's words are never untrue and always dependable, this does not settle for anyone the authority of Scripture. Paul says that Scripture (meaning at that time, the Tanakh) is helpful for training and leading to God.
Understand this: The Bible (that is, a series of books chosen by men under Constantine's rule when they needed a sacred text to unite their divided nation so that they could conquer the known world) never says about itself that it is infallible or that it is the singluar authority. The Word of God never fails, but what we fail to see is that the Bible does not equal the Word of God. Go back and study this. Stop referring to someone else's site. Please do some research on this.
Not the ONLY foundation. Didn't say it was irrelevant!! Think Spider Web!
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